Future Rock Hall - the 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were announced on September 22nd. For the third consecutive year, only nine nominees were named, and of those, five will be inducted.

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Here are your official 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees (all quotes from the official press release):

Metallica | "Rising from the Los Angeles metal underground in the early 1980s, Metallica quickly rose to become the most successful and acclaimed heavy metal band of their era - a position they’ve consistently held for over a quarter century. Founded by vocalist James Hetfield and drummer Lars Ulrich, the group discovered a potent formula by combining the thrash metal of Motorhead with the industrial sound of Killing Joke. By the late 1980s, mainstream tastes were shifting over to metal and Metallica found themselves with a string of hit singles and sold-out stadiums across the globe. This month the band released Death Magnetic, a metal tour de force in the same vein as their landmark 1980s work."
Current Induction Chances: 89%
Run-DMC | "More than any other act, Run-D.M.C. took hip-hop from the streets of New York to the national stage. The group gets deserved credit for its combinations of rock and rap from their early use of guitars on tracks such as "Rock Box" to their ground-breaking collaboration with Aerosmith on their 1986 cover of "Walk this Way." But even more important was how Run-D.M.C and the late Jam Master Jay set the template for modern hip-hop, from their everyday-teenager style to their blazing live shows to a catalogue of classic songs that few rappers have matched: "It’s Tricky," "My Adidas," "Peter Piper," "It’s Like That," "Sucker MC’s" and many more."
Current Induction Chances: 63%
The Stooges | "The "Big Bang" that became punk, alternative, heavy metal, new wave, grunge, hardcore and industrial music, could very well have been the advent of Iggy and the Stooges in Ann Arbor in the late 1960’s. Immediately embraced in New York, London and Los Angeles for the nuclear-powered simplicity of their music, the ironic nihilism of their lyrics, and the persona of Iggy himself, the Stooges have become icons in the history of modern music. And if there is a national anthem for the far side (the underside?) of our rock and roll universe, it is certainly 'I Wanna Be Your Dog.'"
Current Induction Chances: 70%
Jeff Beck | "One of the most influential guitarists in rock and roll, Jeff Beck, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1992, as a member of the Yardbirds. After his 18-month stint (1965-66) in that band, he formed the first edition of the Jeff Beck Group (1968-69, with Rod Stewart and Ron Wood). In the four decades since, Beck’s work has encompassed deep explorations into instrumental jazz fusion, blues, a tribute to Gene Vincent, and much more, always underpinned by his hard-rock roots."
Current Induction Chances: 61%
Chic | "Chic’s founding partnership of songwriter-producers Nile Rodgers (guitar) and Bernard Edwards (bass), abetted by future Power Station drummer Tony Thompson, rescued disco in 1977 with a combination of groove, soul and studio smarts. With their out-of-the-box chart smashes "Dance, Dance, Dance (Yowsah, Yowsah, Yowsah)" and "Le Freak," Chic raised the bar and hooked a generation. Since then, artists such as Sugar Hill Gang and Diddy have turned to Chic for beats and samples. Rodgers and Edwards (before his death in 1996) followed their five years in Chic with careers as top-flight producers for an A-list of megastars."
Current Induction Chances: 53%
Wanda Jackson | "When Elvis Presley sang "wear my ring around your neck" – it was Wanda Jackson’s neck. And she still has the ring. The "First Lady of Rock and Roll" started recording in 1954, and was 18 when she graduated high school and played her first package tour with Elvis in 1955. He convinced her that rock and roll was the way, and she grabbed onto the rhythm like a dynamo. Wanda had the respect of Gene Vincent, Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, Johnny Cash, and every musician who ever shared the stage with the "Queen Of Rockabilly." A perennial star on tour in Europe and Japan, Wanda’s career revived back home in the ’90s, thanks to true believers like Elvis Costello."
Current Induction Chances: 30%
War | "The six founding members of War – the late Papa Dee Allen and Charles Miller, survivors Harold Brown, B.B. Dickerson, Lonnie Jordan, and Howard Scott – were gigging around L.A. for nearly a decade before hooking up with Eric Burdon (ex-Animals) and Danish harmonica player Lee Oskar in 1969. Burdon and producer Jerry Goldstein named them War and they backed it up with a steamy Afro-Latin R&B groove that rocked their debut hit “Spill The Wine.” Less than two years later, Burdon dropped out and War went their own way in 1971. A long string of Top 10 pop/R&B crossover hits established War’s status through the ’70s, always with a social message grounded by their distinctively breezy Southern California vibe."
Current Induction Chances: 50%
Little Anthony and the Imperials | "After singing in high school doo-wop groups, Fort Greene, Brooklyn’s Jerome Anthony Gourdine joined a quartet called the Chesters, which included tenor Ernest Wright, Jr. and baritone Clarence Collins. The fivesome signed to George Goldner’s End Records in 1958 as the Imperials featuring Little Anthony. His boyish vocal (redolent of Frankie Lymon) clicked with "Tears On My Pillow" and "Shimmy, Shimmy, Ko-Ko-Bop," boosted by one of the most energetic stage shows around. Other hits included "I’m on the Outside (Looking In)," "Goin’ Out of My Head," and "Hurt So Bad" that forever immortalized Little Anthony and the Imperials."
Current Induction Chances: 39%
Bobby Womack | "In a class with Sam Cooke and James Brown, his two older mentors, Bobby Womack’s career spans over 55 years, back to sibling group the Womack Brothers. Cooke signed and renamed them the Valentinos, whose first two Womack-penned R&B hits became signatures for the Rolling Stones (“It’s All Over Now,” their first #1 UK hit) and J. Geils Band (“Lookin’ For A Love”). Womack is a triple-threat: prolific solo artist, landmark session guitarist (Sam Cooke At the Copa, Aretha Now, Lady Soul, Elvis Presley’s “Suspicious Minds,” Sly’s There’s A Riot Goin’ On, the Rolling Stones’ “Harlem Shuffle,” and many more), and master songwriter (Aretha’s “Chain Of Fools,” Wilson Picket’s “I’m a Midnight Mover,” Janis Joplin’s “Trust Me,” and countless others."
Current Induction Chances: 33%

The "Current Induction Chances" represent the artist's odds of ever being inducted into the Hall of Fame, as calculated by Future Rock Hall and its users.

The only newly eligible artist to be nominated this year is Run-DMC, leaving Stevie Ray Vaughan fans wondering what happened.

Metallica, snubbed in their first year of eligibility in 2008, make the ballot this time and have to be considered a front runner for induction.

The Stooges are back on the ballot for the seventh time after they were given a year off last year.

Jeff Beck fills the guitar hero slot on the ballot, receiving his first nomination as a solo artist after 16 years of eligibility.

Chic is nominated for the fourth straight year, and the fifth time overall.

Wanda Jackson receives her second nomination after a vigorous campaign was waged this year to get her inducted. One of her notable advocates is Elvis Costello.

War have been eligible since 1996, but this is their first time being nominated.

Little Anthony and the Imperials have been eligible since the Rock Hall was conceived, but have just now made the list of finalsts.

Finally, eligible since 1992, Bobby Womack is the sixth first-time nominee this year.

What does this list tell us about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee? For one thing, they don't stray from the list of artists who have previously been considered in past years. Every nominee this year is represented on that list, except for Run-DMC since this is the first year they could have been discussed.

So who got snubbed? The only repeat nominee from the 2008 ballot is Chic. The Beastie Boys, Afrika Bambaataa, and Donna Summer didn't make the cut this year. Of the newly eligible artists, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Bon Jovi, and the Smiths are notable snubs. For Future Rock Hall's 2009 predictions, check here.

Future Rock Hall forecasts which of today's artists will be the next generation's Rock & Roll Hall of Famers by using a combination of historically predictive criteria, user votes, and nomination patterns.

Future Rock Hall lists eligible artists by first year of eligiblity or alphabetically.

This site is not affiliated in any way with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum or the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation.

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Metallica
Run-DMC
The Stooges
Jeff Beck
War

That's a pretty good class right there.

Posted by Keith on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 07:22am

S--Seriously?

Wow. The Rock Hall of Fame sure went wacky this year. Again.

Is it too much to ask that they just pick nine artists that deserve to be in? I can only assume that they front-loaded the ballot with bad picks to ensure that the Stooges get in, which, I mean, I appreciate, but still. I hate to be one of those guys that complains about not enough of the classic metal and prog acts, but geez, man, seriously. Alice Cooper still not in but freaking WAR? And as much Lax-baiting as I've done.... seriously, where IS Peter Gabriel? Why hasn't he been inducted yet?

So, Metallica and the Stooges and Chic and Run-DMC are all virtual locks because of the weak competition this year. Who's the fifth? I think we can discount Bobby Womack entirely. (I'm not saying he's a bad artist, he's a very good one, but a Hall of Famer? Why him and not Lou Rawls, or Teddy Pendergrass, or Donny Hathaway? That's a straight up admission that they've run out of R&B singers to induct.) Wanda has the momentum, but Beck may pick up the whitey-white classic rock crowd. Maybe there are other "doowop fanatics" out there who can pick up Little Anthony's slack.

Posted by MBI on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 07:28am

Well then, there is the list, we suppose.

I would suppose, from that list, that Chic, Metallica, Iggy Pop and/or the Stooges, Wanda Jckson, and Jeff Beck will go in. A fine set of inductees. Though, for my end of the table, that is only one of the five predicted inductees in Chic. For one reason or another, I was assured that Donna Summer would go in this year. And, indeed, I figured amongst others that Peter Gabriel would be listed amongst the finalists for inductions. I am rather dissapointed in Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam) not being a finalist again, and am rather baffled by the lack of support the Eurythmics are getting. Regarding the Eurythmics, maybe the Hall of Fame Foundation Nominating Committee is waiting to induct Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart individually.

By the by, the other four finalists are deserving of induction: I do not think this is the year they will go in, however. Well, maybe Run-DMC has a shot. I am rather impressed that War, Little Anthony, and Bobby Womack are getting consideration, though.

Also to note, it appears that Bon Jovi did not gain induction to the Hall of Fame just yet. Wheras many commentators and insiders thought this would be the year. And it does appear that the Hollies are not getting in this year as well; a dissapointment to be honest, as I felt the intensive lobbying would give forth considerable attention.

I do notice that the non-performer list is not announced. Perhaps this will be the year that Bernie Taupin does make it in alongside Sir Elton John. It seems only fair and reasonable.

Now, before any of you start throwing theoretical pies at my face in thinking that I have gotten a comeuppance with respect to Peter Gabriel not being on the list of finalists, not to worry. This is a reason why the Hall of Fame Foundation has conjured up a backup plan: A special induction ceremony honoring the classic lineup of Genesis, individually and collectively. I made this proposal to Jann Wenner and the Hall of Fame Foundation just over one year ago, when the eligibility of Phil Collins' entire body of work kicked in. In that letter, I proposed a different induction ceremony from the one given annually. In this one, Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins, and Mike Rutherford would be inducted as both Genesis and on their own accords. Granted, Collins' and Rutherford's solo materials are rather spotty; but for the sake of completing the induction tree, this would work.

To conclude, the five picks for induction from what I think is the official ballot are well deserved, and likely to go in. As well, it will occur that if Gabriel, Hackett, Banks, Collins, and Rutherford might not go in through the main ballot, then they will go in in a special acheivement category created in their exclusivity. Thus, Peter Gabriel will be inducted into the Hall of Fame Class of 2009 or thereabouts, alongside his classic lineup of Genesis mates. Simply put, the waiting is over to induct all branches of the tree; when it will happen is not yet known. Yet, it is going to happen, preferably next year.

Can we all be theoretical friends,

Lax25

Posted by Lax25 on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 07:39am

Lax

I am completely confused now. You are saying that the Hall, based on your recommendation, will have a special induction ceremony for Genesis alone? Why would they do that? What makes Genesis so special over the likes of other bands? Don't you think that would cause some kind of backlash? I am all for the true Genesis being inducted, but I am just curious about your opinions. I didn't know you held such power over the Hall.

And this thing with the Eurythmics. A fine band no doubt, but certainly nowhere near as important as The Cure, Joy Division, and The Smiths. And their solo careers, although respectable are not HoF worthy.

Who assured you that Donna Summer was getting in? Why should lobbying matter when it comes to the Hollies? They don't deserve induction. We can't put every 60's band in the Hall.

I mean no disrespect, but some of your comments on the Hall are about as sane as St. Jimmy and the Flock of Coven. You are so assured of certain things and then when that all falls flat on its face, you have complete explanations as to how it will all be resolved.

Here is how you can resolve it; stop calling it a Hall of Fame and rename it the Modern Music Museum. Or, replace the nominating committee with a barrel full of monkeys.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 08:00am

This is really, really, really odd!

None of the candidates I had thought would have a chance have been nominated! Not only the Eurythmics and Peter Gabriel, but also

- Def Leppard
- The Replacements
- Depeche Mode
- Sugarhill Gang
- solo Tina Turner

I would have expected far more likely to be listed.

Metallica, Chic and the Stooges will certainly get in I feel, but for the new candidates it is hard to see why they are on the ballot. I have never seen in a best-albums or best songs list or heard on classic rock radio:

- solo Jeff Beck
- War
- Little Anthony and the Imperials
- or Bobby Womack

Wanda Jackson I have seen praised by Richie Unterberger and many musicians, so there may be some case even if she was no more successful commercially than the Stooges. However, it is really hard to see the logic behind so many unexpected choices.

Posted by Julien Peter Benney on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 08:13am

You could wellbe pessimistic, wheras I could just as well be optimistic.

Plus, I do not hold power over the Hall of Fame. I am simply bringing forth proposals, which I beleive have been considered. As well, this represents my choices; each one of us has different viewpoints.

Regarding a backlash, I seriously doubt a process of inducting Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford individually and collectively would constitute a problematic anger: it is already there. On my end, I have a laundry list of artists that should have been inducted years ago. For my end, Gabriel/Hackett/Banks/Collins/Rutherford together and apart is the most egregious and in need of correcting the oversight.

You see, my proposal would fit the eligibility requirements and end the debate. As well, all sides and branches will be inducted, without omitting even one of the classic line-up. Simply stated, for a rather unique positioning of innovative artists, whom were once involved in a unique band format, a unique induction ceremony would suffice.

To note, you do not see me enraged over this, cursing the Hall of Fame and all that dwell within the Hall of Fame. There are newer methods for induction to consider, if only for certain occasions. An induction of the five Genesis classic line-up figures, not just peter Gabriel, is an interesting format that has been considered; at the very least, Jann Wenner looked at the e-mail I sent. Frankly, nothing can get done until you actually put it in the face of Wenner and the Nominating Committee. Therefore, the proposal has been considered, and will very well occur. And to remind you, I started doing this campaigning last year: certain time has passed for this to happen.

Shocking the barrel of monkeys to life,

Lax25

Posted by Lax25 on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 08:25am

Optimism is hoping for better in 2010. Try doing that.

Posted by MBI on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 08:57am

Thank you for that clarification although I still don't see it. The one flaw in your theory is the claim that Genesis is the biggest omission. Now I know we all have our own tastes, but I don't see how Genesis falls into this category. King Crimson was far more influential in the world of Prog Rock. Alice is by far the biggest omission from this list and Hall. I do agree that they belong, but there are more than a few that deserve it more, IMO.

As far as you writing Schmucky the clown Wenner; unless you hold some sway over him, why would he listen to you? There have been campaigns and petitions for many groups. Roy and Chicago for one. There is a big one circulating for Heart. Why will he listen to you?

I have a feeling that the only reason the Stooges are here again is because Madonna probably threatened Wenner that she would not attend her own induction if the Stooges were not on the 2009 ballot. (Bless her pointy bras) And that would have been a financial blunder for the Hall if Madonna didn't show. So unless you have a way of talking to Wenner's wallet and ego, I don't see it my friend.

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 09:21am

Julien

- Def Leppard (The genre that Def Leppard is associated with is probably the most disliked and least respected of all. Don't expect this for at least another decade)

- The Replacements (Who knows when)

- Depeche Mode (Not before Joy Division, Cure and a few others)

- Sugarhill Gang (I don't know enough about Rap to make a judgement)

- solo Tina Turner (She is touring this year, so maybe next year her solo career will get consideration)

Solo Jeff Beck is worthy. (IMO, he is the greatest Rock guitarist ever)

Best song and album lists do not have more than a miniscule impact on the Hall of Fame criteria

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 09:34am

"I have a feeling that the only reason the Stooges are here again is because Madonna probably threatened Wenner that she would not attend her own induction if the Stooges were not on the 2009 ballot."

That was almost certainly the Hall's idea, as Wenner has been trying to induct the Stooges for a decade now.

Posted by MBI on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 09:50am

First off, I'm absolutely speechless. This crop reeks of the cronyism that has been inferred often in the past, yet overlooked because some of the candidates were truly reasonable. This time, there's far too many ballot options that are either idiosyncratic choices with little value to bring to Cleveland or have obviously been trumpeted via members of the Rock Hall or its board.

The Stooges - The writeup mentions "I Wanna Be Your Dog"...obviously, their performance at last year's gig helped them earn a place on this year's weak ballot. They're all but assured induction.

Chic - Friends with the write people but truly undeserving of their nominations.

Wanda Jackson - Elvis Costello trumps her up and she's on the ballot.

Little Anthony & The Imperials - Made a big splash on Letterman which obviously convinced Paul Shaffer to take a stand for these guys. The fourth example on this ballot so far (that we know of) where the influence of a few outweighs the level of influence on the landscape of rock.

War is such an absolutely atrocious pick. I would elect 150 artists before them and I'm absolutely serious about that number. Jeff Beck is pretty freakin' mindboggling. He's already in the Hall of Fame, yet Stevie Ray Vaughn (who is a more influential guitarist) isn't. Yet you'll nominate a truly lesser name? All Beck did was play the guitar, there wasn't anything innovative about it. He's hardly a household name like BB King or SRV.

I don't even know who Bobby Womack is which is distressing considering I'm someone that's spent a lot of time weeding through the chaff of rock history from the basements in Motor City to those that fly in jets on billion dollar grossing tours. To have a name that even the most astute of rock aficionados that were born after 1970 can't even recognize? Then, you're really stretching things.

At least the writeups this year were stronger for every artist and truly gave a glimpse of their importance rather than being a strict biography. Still, some of them are truly a stretch as they infer that these artists have had long and continually successful careers when only Metallica stands up to that benchmark. Womack, Jackson, The Imperials & Jeff Beck are hardly radio friendly unit shifters from the 80's onward. Run DMC, on the other hand, simply fell out of favor but had already produced an unignorable legacy.

At the very least, three members of my queue (Run DMC, Metallica, Stooges) are all guaranteed inclusion which beats last year's crop of Madonna & Cohen. In return, The Smiths are added to my list of those on the outside looking in, but at least electing three major omissions while creating one new one is progress.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 09:51am

I'm obligated to choose my Top 5, naturally.

1. The Stooges - One of the Top 5 snubs thus far
2. Metallica - A top 15 to top 10 eligible artist
3. Run DMC - A top 15 to top 10 eligible artist
.................................................
4. Chic - Some great songs and a unique sound, I guess
5. Little Anthony & The Imperials - Doo wop group with some classic singles

Posted by Casper on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 10:01am

More detailed thoughts on the nine picks:

The Stooges: The most obvious pick of the nine, a virtual lock considering the lack of competition and long overdue.

Metallica: Well-earned, and also obviously an attempt to look current. The Hall of Fame is going to spend the '80s waiting for the '90s to become eligible; in the meantime, they're going to start inducting token '80s acts, even though Metallica, like REM and future inductees the Beastie Boys and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, didn't become superstars until the '90s. I wonder how Metallica feels about getting in before legends of metal like Deep Purple, Kiss, Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, etc.

Run-DMC: Wisely, this year the committee has decided to nominate just one rap artist rather than split the vote.

Chic: Their influence was enormous, their actual output was short and not really that remembered. Everyone says nice things about Chic, how many people actually listen to Chic? I wonder how many songs by Chic the average Rock Hall voter can even name. Still, one of the stronger choices on the ballot, sadly.

Little Anthony: Don't like that guy's voice. Shouldn't there be some kind of statute of limitations? If you've been eligible since 1986 and you STILL haven't gotten inducted, can we at least say that their influence is questionable at best? And seriously, why should the guy behind "Shimmy Shimmy Koko Bop" be inducted, really? Sigh, at least I've actually heard of them, as opposed to a lot of other doowop groups in there already. I mean, the Moonglows?

Wanda Jackson: No one had even a second's thought about Jackson for a good 40 years. Even her supporters probably only know "Let's Have a Party." A terrible pick -- the token female, obviously. Not everyone from the '50s is important.

Jeff Beck: I actually own a Jeff Beck album. He's a talented guy, I guess. But seriously, he's overshadowed by his peers for a reason.

War: An unfathomable, and unconscionable, pick. In a year of weak nominees, this is easily the weakest. What is it, like a token ethnic pick?

Bobby Womack: As I've said earlier, this is a straight-up admission that they've run out of deserving '70s r&b artists to induct. I like what little I've heard of Womack, but who was inspired to start singing because of Bobby Womack? I could hear cases for Barry White, Teddy Pendergrass or Donny Hathaway -- but no one's still listening to Bobby Womack.

Posted by MBI on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 11:16am

What kind of a committee nominates War instead of Love??

Posted by joker on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 11:17am

Jeff Beck: I actually own a Jeff Beck album. He's a talented guy, I guess. But seriously, he's overshadowed by his peers for a reason. (MBI)

First, one of the problems with Beck was that he spent as much time working on cars as he did on his music. He is a strange fellow.

Jeff Beck's solo career never took off like Clapton's because their styles were somewhat different (actually a lot different) as far as song composition was concerned. Beck was not as audience friendly. Not to mention that Beck cannot sing a lick. But the Wired lp release influenced guitarists from Rock to Jazz.

One thing is for sure; he makes Clapton, Page and the rest of his guitar peers look like a rank amateurs when it comes to playing the guitar.

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 12:02pm

It was fun sending cards and letters to the hall this last year. Thousands were sent in by Melanie Safka fans. Oh well, they can only nominate just so many.

I can't aford to spend more time and money trying to help get Melanie in next year. Who cares, I don't.

Melanies music has a special place in the hearts of her fans. That's all that realy matters anyway.

Good luck to the nominees.
Jim

Posted by Jim Baldwin on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 12:18pm

WOW! The nominees list came out early this year! Last year they came out in November! They must not want the announcement to coincide with the election!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 12:32pm

I'm really happy about War being nominated. A great band with wonderful melding of soul & rock. I'm going to go home & rock out with some Low Rider...Might Spill a Little Wine in the process.

Other entrants for me, personally would be: Jeff Beck, Run DMC, Chic & Stooges.

I wonder what the 'Peter Gabriel Futures Market' is doing this afternoon?

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 12:35pm

I guess this is the year Chic gets in.

So maybe after several years of nominating weak groups in hopes of getting Chic in, next year we'll see a better group.

Posted by Gregory on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 12:42pm

Once again the rock and roll hall of fame has shown it self as the joke it is and that is for one reason and one reason only....snubbing Bon Jovi.
I know many of you wont agree with this, but i'd like to see any of those nominated still tour the world and play to over 2 million fans, and still have number 1 albums all over the world.

However, i do feel that Metallica, and Jeff Beck are definately worthy candidates, and it will be a disgrace if these 2 dont end up making it. Run DMC however is a joke, and it is a shame that they are even considered.

Unfortunately Bon Jovi has never been a critics favourite, and it has shown again. Thank God the boys dont care what critics think and continue to put out quality (despite a few mediocre albums) music year after year, and continue to fill stadiums year after year.

Posted by Nizar Masri on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 13:18pm

Did Wanda Jackson and Bobby Womack ever work with Phil Spector?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 14:10pm

I'll beg your pardon Nizar

b/c Run DMC are certainly anything but a joke and if i had to let a hip hop group in the hall it would be them. Not only are they hip hop but they blur the line between hip hop and rock pretty darn well. Listen to king of rock and then tell me what you think

Posted by Greg on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 14:25pm

Check out the Run DMC's "King of Rock" video from 1985.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fumgOJLFSHw

"Hey! This is a Rock and Roll Museum. You guys don't belong in here. Ha ha ha!"

Amazing.

Posted by Future Rock Hall on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 14:58pm

Bon Jovi vs. Run-DMC? Seriously? Seeing as this is, you know, the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame, I think they should only be considering the ROCK act on that list: Run-DMC.

Posted by MBI on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 15:03pm

Seriously, we get people complaining that Madonna isn't rock enough but then we get all these people demanding Bon Jovi? Huh? And furthermore, they've only been eligible for what, two years? Skynyrd waited 7 to get inducted, Bon Freaking Jovi's supposed to get in in one?

Posted by MBI on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 15:07pm

OK, let's not pair Madonna and Bon Jovi together. What boundaries exactly did Bon Jovi push?

I am totally OK with Bon Jovi not getting in.

They can wait in line behind The B-52's, The Smiths, etc.

Posted by MJC on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 15:17pm

I'm not renewing my membership in the Rock and Roll Hall next year for the first time since 2000. Another year of mostly lame nominees. No Moodies, Rush, Chicago, Neil Diamond, Gabriel. It's the Jann Wenner Hall now. Very sad. When I got the survey from them this year I proposed that paid members like myself at least be able to vote for the nominees who make the final nine.

Posted by Pat on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 15:17pm

My RNR HOF picks

Jeff Beck
War
Little Anthony
Chic
Stooges

Posted by Danny on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 15:19pm

Metallica
Stooges
Jeff Beck
Run DMC
War-finally gets nominated

I am schocked no SRV or Rush though

Posted by Brian on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 15:22pm

Why is Run DMC on the ballot?????
This is a rock hall, and last I heard rap is not rock at all. I hope they lose badly in the polls, and actually induct someone deserving for once

Posted by Danny on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 15:34pm

Scorpions snubbed again "Since 1997".So very sad:(

Posted by theleanmeanlovelykathleen1 on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 15:50pm

Bobby Womack- Legendary!
Metallica- Shaped a generation of METAL fans.
War- Lee Oskar...nuff said.
Stooges- Love me some Iggy Pop
Jeff Beck- Indeed!

Where the hell is SRV!!! Show Stevie some love!

Posted by Billy on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 16:20pm

Jann Wenner should be thrown off the board, because he refuses to recongnize the true classic rock of the 1960's and 70's. It would actually ressurect the true meaning of the hall's message of the meaning "Rock and Roll". How could he and the board pick for example Run-DMC over Regular Classic rock, or Metallica over Def Leppard, and The Scorpions, or Wanda Jackson over Patsy Cline. Does this make sense in any way possible.

Posted by Danny on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 16:44pm

Have of them I figured and the others came out of left field.

I am good with The Stooges, Jeff Beck and Metallica. Run - DMC is good in my book. War is a very interesting choice. The others don't strike me either way (very safe)

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 16:58pm

I don't agree a lot with Jann Wenner, especially not considering the path Rolling Stone went the last decades, but the best thing he and his friends ever did was refusing to narrowing 'rock and roll' down to 60s and 70s classic rock. Sure, the board should be more aware of that genre, and hasn't recognized it enough, but saying that one specific genre in a particular period constitutes the only true meaning of rock n roll is incredibly narrow-minded.

PS: I would pick Metallica over The Scorpions any day.

Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 17:08pm

I would rank them like this
1- The Stooges
2- jeff Beck
3- Run DMC
4- Metallica
5- War
6- Wanda Jackson
7- Bobby Womack
8- Little Antony and the imperials
9- Chic

Posted by roméo on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 17:08pm

I keep wondering when Nick Drake is going to get in to the RnRHoF. Seems a shame he isn't there already

Posted by Gerrie on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 17:52pm

If you want a name change, go for the Rock and/or Roll Hall of Fame.

Here I have a suggestion to those that have legitimate grievances: flood Jann Wenner's mailbox, electronic and paper, with your suggestions. Then, Wenner and the Nominating Committee will have to hear us all. I do firmly have an inkling that these guys read my two (2!) letters considering the Hall of Fame to induct Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford, as both Genesis and on their own in the induction ceremony. A unique ceremony for its own accord, which would provide the proper awarding and tribute to these five artists. Namely Gabriel, Hackett, and Banks would be given the legitimacy for their own inductions. Yet, Collins and Rutherford would complete the tree of Genesis inductees, even with their rather spotty solo work. In short, the "Peter Gabriel Futures Market" is alive and well, and going up. Make no mistake: Gabriel, at least, will be inducted in the Class of 2009 or thereabouts. Gabriel will likely also go in with Hackett, Banks, Collins and Rutheford for both individual and collective works.

As I mentioned before, Peter Gabriel at least is the one inductee not already inducted yet that should be. Same with Genesis, individually and collectively. There are other artists that I have CDs and DVDs and MP3s that should make the Hall of Fame. Here is a sampling:

ABBA, Sir Tim Rice, The Moody Blues, Yes (again both individually and collectively), Rush, King Crimson, Adrian Belew on his own, Kate Bush, Lionel Richie, Sting on his own, The Move, The Hollies, Electric Light Orchestra, Patrick Moraz on his own, Hall and Oates, Bread, Ringo Starr on his own, Boston, Sarah McLachlan, Billy Cobham, Narada Michael Walden, Mike Oldfield, The Scorpions, Vangelis (yes, Vangelis; there were times, like Aphrodite's Child, when he rocked), Styx, Toto, The Tubes (all of them, not just Vince Welnick), Ryo Okumoto, Roger Waters on his own, Todd Rundgren, The System, Robert Palmer, XTC, Bill Nelson (the British artist, not the Senator), Chicago, Midge Ure, The Cars (also together and seperately, at least Ocasek, Orr, and Hawkes), Suzi Quatro, Roxy Music, Brian Eno, John Wetton, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, Radiohead, Paul Weller (as the Jam, Style Council, and himself), Cat Stevens a.k.a. Yusuf Islam, Chris De Burgh (yes, Chris De Burgh; go hear his earlier albums), Scott Walker, Donna Summer, The Eurythmics, Julian Cope, Dan Fogelberg, Tommy Bolin, Paul Carrack, Bruce Haack (obsure electronic artist), and also self-contained bands such as Coldplay, Tangerine Dream, and Barclay James Harvest (forgot about them, did you?), and Simple Minds (did not forget them, I trust.) And again, this is just a sampling. What do you fellow posters consider of my listings?

Awaiting answers,

Lax25

Posted by Lax25 on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 17:53pm

So this is the deal this year? Score one for Metallica. I think everyone saw the Stooges and Run D.M.C. on this list. Pleasantly suprised at War and Jeff Beck. I'll admit, I am stunned at the omission of Rush. I thought w/the cover issue, the hype from tv shows, etc. that the walls were really starting to break down for them. We all know who's missing.

Five I voted for:

Metallica
Stooges
Run D.M.C.
Chic
W. Jackson

Five who should be there:

Rush
Cars
Chicago
T-Rex
Def Lep

"At Your Service Day & Night, We Do The Job & Do It Right, AACCMMEE!!!"

In honor of the Stooges

Cheesecrop

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 18:30pm

I guess the Rock Hall figured they needed to induct Jeff Beck before inducting Stevie Ray Vaughan.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 18:32pm

Little Anthony and the Imperials are going to be this year's Dave Clark Five and The Ventures!

THEY WILL BE INDUCTED!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 18:35pm

I vote for Butch Walker.

Posted by jk on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 18:35pm

Those of you who are criticizing the pick of Jeff Beck do not know what you are talking about. Jeff Beck is one of the three great rock guitarists, alongside Hendrix and Allman. Caspar, "there wasn't anything innovative about it" (referring to Beck's playing). Are you on crack? Beck was and still is one of the most innovative guitarists to ever pick up the instrument. With all due respect to SRV (and I have a lot of respect for him), it was SRV who was not all that innovative. SRV was prodigiously talented, but it was basically turbocharged blues riffs that we've heard for decades. I have been waiting for Beck to be inducted for years. And just because he's in with the Yardbirds...not enough.

Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 18:59pm

Dezmond...being a player myself (the greatest one in...my house, or maybe it's Bob the Dog???) it's hard for me to catagorize the truly great players...they're numbered 1A, 1B, 1C, etc..., but in no particular order! Jeff Beck is definitely 1 something. Very innovative, never heard anyone change keys in the middle of a song like he does and not get totally lost!!!

He and SRV playing "Goin' Down" for an encore on their tour together in 1989 is one of the best guitar "explosions" I've ever had the pleasure of witnessing!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 19:36pm

THE IMPERIALS should be inducted !! They (along with the already - inducted DELLS, were THE ONLY DOO-WOP era group of the 50's to maintain consistant success well into the 60's and 70's, while most of their peers fell by the wayside. Their appeal spans generations !! Also they're still touring with 3 out of 4 ORIGINAL MEMBERS TODAY,"Little Anthony" Gourdine, Ernest Wright, and group founder Clarence Collins. How many 50's groups (or even 60's , 70's and 80's , for that matter) can you still say THAT about ? If inducted , it will be the perfect capper to this, their 50TH ANNIVERSARY YEAR !!

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 19:59pm

Metallica
Run DMC
Jeff Beck
Stooges
Chic

War is my sixth choice for prediction

Posted by Kyle on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 20:05pm

Cyndi Lauper's influence on other artists ,irreguardless of Cyndi's present day commercial sucess, is still clearly visible today. Also Time After Time is a modern day classic, Girls Just Want To Have Fun has been celebrated by generation after generation of women, and True Colors is a much loved anthem of the worlds GLBT community. To deny Cyn a place on the ballot is just another reason why the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is about as meaningless as the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

Posted by Jonathan on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 20:26pm

Still no RUSH, Genesis, or YES. R&RHOF is still ridiculous.

Posted by Robert B. on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 20:32pm

I have always been a huge supporter of the Hall. I have visited it over the years and love the original inducties and those who were truly deserving of the Hall.

Now it seems like they are chosing groups to try and achieve some kind of quoto or some kind of strategy to revamp careers of groups past their prime but still under contract with record companies.

If you think about being alive in the 70s and listening to the radio or going to see concerts, you must remember the groups that really mattered.

Zepplin, Stones, Skynyrd, Alman Bros were some of the best. But so were the Cars. If Madonna can get it, why is it so unbelievable that BeeGees could get in? They play dance music. At least the BeeGees wrote, sang and played their own instruments....

What about Joy Division, Smiths, New Order? Duran Duran? Once again, they wrote their own Music, sang their own songs and played thier own instruments...

RUN DMC? Are you kidding? Have you been to a Run DMC concert? I have been to many and I like them, but they should never be in the Hall.

They should put, Peter Tosh, Bunny Wailer, and other Reggae contributers. Once again, wrote their own songs, played their own instruments and sang their own songs.

Posted by Troy on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 22:17pm

"Once again, wrote their own songs, played their own instruments and sang their own songs."

Like Elvis.

Posted by MBI on Monday, 09.22.08 @ 22:55pm

Hall and Oates- like em or hate em...they are great song writers and musicians. I don't agree with Madonna- she's all show and nothing else. I also agree with Rush, Chicago, Genesis, Stevie Ray Vaughn and Cyndi Lauper. This year's noms are great in their own way- Little Anthony and the Imperials has to be my favorite.

Posted by Deb on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 00:08am

it just seems the hof has to always include a artist from the 60's. i love music from that time, but you can't include everyone. to continue overlooking so many artist from the 70's, & now the 80's, is wrong. the hof needs to start inducting 10 artist a year to make up all that's been overlooked. then maybe they'll get some credibility back.

Posted by thomas johnson on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 00:32am

This is who I feel may get in:

Run-D.M.C.
Metallica
The Stooges
Wanda Jackson
Bobby Womack (or Little Anthony & the Imperials)

For some reason, I can't see War, Chic or Jeff Beck (though he is a guitar great and probably should've been inducted long time ago, as well as Jackson, Womack and the Imperials) being shoo-ins but we'll see in January.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 01:58am

Then again, Jeff Beck may just get in because, like someone said, Stevie Ray may be next, lol. So "let's induct Jeff as a soloist", lol.

It's odd since both Jeff Beck and Bobby Womack had success as sidemen for acts like Rod Stewart (Beck) and Sly Stone (Womack) but both are in the nominating committee for performers inducted so that's quite interested but it does make sense since both of them had prolific recording careers in front of the microphone, Bobby much more so at least on the R&B charts.

Little Anthony/Imperials could be the DC5 but then they may not get in until next year like the DC5.

Wanda Jackson COULD get in... then again maybe not.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 02:03am

blah-blah-blah

Re, "Not before Joy Division, Cure and a few others", I do think the Cure will get in when Depeche do, but as for Joy Division, i have always thought New Order more likely if they do not induct them together.

MBI,

Re, "I could hear cases for Barry White, Teddy Pendergrass or Donny Hathaway, I could certainly understand Barry White more readily than War given his recognisable "Can't Get Enough of Your Love", but not the other two. War I do not understand, not Little Anthony. It seems as if there are diehards on the nominating committee lobbying for doo-wop groups whom people my age (31) have trouble recognising.

Posted by Julien Peter Benney on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 02:25am

It's odd since both Jeff Beck and Bobby Womack had success as sidemen for acts like Rod Stewart (Beck) and Sly Stone (Womack) but both are in the nominating committee for performers inducted (tim)

I always thought that the name of the band that Stewart nd Beck played in together was called the Jeff Beck Group.

The wonder here is how they are going to view Beck's work after the Yardbirds. Is his solo career being judged on everything after that point; Beck, Bogart and Appice, the Jeff Beck Group and his 70's releases which included Wired and Blow by Blow or just the latter?

I still think his performances at the ARMs concerts where is completely abused Clapton and Page are HoF worthy unto itself. I can certainly see where some would want the last guitar hero of the 60's inducted before they move onto SRV.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 03:44am

I'll repeat over here what I repeated at another blog, about three people who could have repeat inductions. . . .

Of course, Jeff Beck has already been inducted with the Yardbirds.

But Sammy Strain of Little Anthony & the Imperials, who sang on their hits from 1964 on, has already been inducted with the O'Jays.

And the big question is: Will Eric Burdon of the Animals be inducted with War?

Posted by Charles Crossley, Jr. on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 03:55am

Eric Burdon should be inducted as a former member of War

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 05:15am

They should bring back the "Early Influences" category and nominate Frank Sinatra and Judy Garland. Almost every male and female popular singer have been influenced by these two.

Posted by mook on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 05:27am

Dezmond, concerning Jeff Beck not being innovative, I still stand by that. He's JUST a guitar player. Some dude that plays the guitar well or uniquely can't really hold a candle to the contributions that Brian Eno, Joy Division & The Smiths brought to the rock genre.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 06:36am

Casper...I don't agree with that at all. Producers AND BANDS (with few exceptions) come and go. No great, innovative guitarists...no Rock & Roll.

NO WAY!!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 07:31am

Bobby Womack was not just a sideman; that is how he started. He has played with, wrote for and performed his own hits. This man still performs today and draws thousands. If you are an icon in a genre (Like Bobby Womack is in soul, you should be a shoo-in). It is like anything else. If the majority doesn't feel it, then you are often overlooked - not intentionally but things should be in place to prevent this. This guys music was a therapuetic session during the 60's, 70's and 80's.

Posted by TSL on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 07:32am

Casper my friend, Beck is not just a guitar player. You are correct when you mention the importance of the other artists, but that should not diminsh what Beck has brought to music. I believe it is Beck who took the guitar out of the standards blues influenced chord progressions to a ballsier, harder sound and style. At least this is my opinion. Blow by Blow is friggin amazing.

This HoF with their stupid 5 artist limit is the one who is keeping bands out of the Hall. One band is not keeping another band out. I still cannot fathom how any of these bands, including my beloved Stooges are being inducted while Alice Cooper is still kept on the outside. Is there any logic to this at all? Bands like King Crimson and The Nice which then led to the amazing music of ELP and other prog rock bands are all still being kept out. Someone please explain that to me.

We all keep comparing one great band or artist to another as to induction, but the truth is, there are dozens of glaring mistakes with this stupid place. I think this place is a joke. We have people telling us who is great and who isn't. I have listened to, owned and played more music than I can imagine, I don't need Little Stevie, Paul Schaeffer or Jann Wenner to tell me what bands have impacted music and my life.

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 07:39am

Someone earlier considered themself a rock aficinado but never head of Bobby womack. And he is said noone is listening to him today. If you beleive that, you are not an aficinado. First he still performs and while he is not as mainstream as Teddy, Barry or Donny, he has been every bit influential if not more so. This guy has written, played and perfomred HITS. He still performs today and his hits are classic. Not just one hit like Percey Sledge or 2 hits like RUN DMC.
If you really want to hear him at his best, dig up his cd "Resurrection". It is clearly the best "Rock and Soul", album ever produced yet was marketed very poorly. Its range is limitless. Check your Rock history.

Posted by tsl on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 07:47am

I was planning a fall visit to the HOF but after reading about how many groups that were played over & over on the radio in the 70's/80's & still today, are left out (Cooper,Rush,Floyd,Kiss)why bother? Do these ppl ever listen to a CLASSIC "rock" station?

Posted by beebee on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 08:21am

Probably the worst nominations ever.

No Donna Summer? Bon Jovi? Beastie Boys? etc.

Chic are the only deserving act here to be inducted. Even then its only really for Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards.

As people have mentioned before, we need more acts from 70s and 80s. Donna Summer is probably the biggest snub ever. Her influence on music is much greater than most people think.

Posted by Kieran on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 08:39am

Beebee, Floyd is in the Hall of Fame. Although, oddly enough, it took them 2 years to get in thanks to the voters' odd tendencies...

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 08:46am

Kieran, you need to get out more if you think that Donna is the biggest snub ever and that The Stooges is not a good nomination.

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 08:49am

Man, you're weird, Kieran. I mean, I'm glad to have a disco/rap supporter on this board, but someone who isn't on board with these very very very influential rock groups on the list? And who the hell supports the Beasties but not Run-DMC?

Posted by MBI on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 09:00am

Since the board has had a bit of a 1960's flashback, I think a decent nominee fo at least 2010, would be Manfred Mann. Mike D'Abo, Manfred Lubowitz, created such memorable somgs like

Doo Wah Diddy
Fox on the Run
My Name is Jack
The Mighty Quinn
Ha-Ha Said the Clown

If anyone agrees or has a better candidate, I sure as hell wanna know.

Posted by Danny on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 12:28pm

I totally agree with Danny.

(The Mighty Quinn was written by Dylan)

Another very deserving person from that same time would be Donovan.

Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 12:59pm

You've got to be kidding me. Yet another lame list of nominees for the Hall of Fame. Aside from Metallica, I can't figure out how any of them made the list. The nominating committee has apparently forgotten all about the worthy prog rock bands such as Yes, Rush, Genesis, and Jethro Tull that are much more deserving of induction than the rest of this year's group. These four bands have sold tons of records/CDs, have had long, successful careers, have made great, innovative music, and inspired a generation of musicians. Ask yourself if the same can be said about War, The Stooges, or (God forbid) Chic?? Unbelievable.

Posted by Rob T on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 13:13pm

Again, spoken like someone who knows not a goddamn thing about the Stooges.

Posted by MBI on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 13:14pm

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame isnt' a popularity contest. Think of it more like a curated art museum.

Posted by mel on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 13:37pm

Ask yourself if the same can be said about War, The Stooges, or (God forbid) Chic?? (Rob T)

The Stooges are often regarded as hugely influential in alternative rock, heavy metal and, punk rock. That is three different genres right there Rob. There is absolutely no questioning their worthiness.

I agree that Prog Rock is being unfairly ignored by the idiots on the nominating commitee but we have bitched about that for years. But then, they are still ignoring Alice Cooper which I don't think anyone understands. It is not one bands fault for another band not being nominated. And really, if you are going to name Prog Rock bands, you need to make sure that you have King Crimson on the top of the list.

And really, the way I see it, Jeff Beck has influenced as many if not more guitarists than anyone including Clapton, Page, Hendrix and SRV. I have already explained why, but if you need, listen to Wired or Blow by Blow.

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 14:07pm

Posted by Brian on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 14:22pm

To put my 2 cents in, when Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page both declare(as well as many other great guitarists)that Jeff Beck is the greatest guitarist alive today, he gets my vote. I have seen him 3 times and he is an amazing guitarist. He can play everything from jazz, to blues, to metal and everything in between.

Posted by Gene on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 15:09pm

So glad to see that War finally made the list. The only unfortunate thing is the fact that the "original" WAR band is not together as it should be. I hope that if they do get their most deserved recognition, that all original members (Howard Scott, Harold Brown, B.B Dickerson, Lee Oskar-still going strong as the Lowrider Band)get their right to be at the induction ceremony just as well as Lonnie Jordan.

WAR music has been in American culture for 40 years and even if you are not a WAR fan, I can guarantee you know a WAR song no matter what kind of music you like.

Posted by lowrider band fan on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 17:08pm

Early Influence

Frank Sinatra

Non-Performers

John Simon
Tom Dowd
Arif Mardin
Phil Ramone
Quincy Jones
David Foster
Casey Kasem
Bernie Taupin

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 17:13pm

This is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame having issues. Any questions?

Why yes, there are things I want to add. First off, I am wondering if the Hall of Fame Nominating Committee thinks that some artists have been inducted when it is quite the opposite. For instance, the Hall of Fame's synopsis regarding Metallica, whom I am certain will be inducted, mentions Iron Maiden and Killing Joke. There is a problem, though: Iron Maiden and Killing Joke are not inducted yet. And, at least with Iron Maiden, they need to be. It just seems odd to mention two important influences of Metallica, yet not include them in the Hall of Fame. It would be similar to voters of the Baseball Hall of Fame thinking "Jim Rice was the most dominant hitter in the American League for a period of 12 seasons. Let us induct Fred Lynn!" Just because Lynn had the MVP season in 1975 does not mean you induct Lynn over Rice. By the way, Jim Rice must be inducted before the year is out.

Getting back to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, many of these potential inductees have counterparts that were, in all fairness, greater than the finalists chosen. Even the five I pick from the list (Metallica, Chic, Wanda Jackson, Jeff Beck, and Iggy Pop/The Stooges) have, slightly greater artists ahead of them in their respective fields. For one instance, I highly respect Bobby Womack; yet, would I induct Womack before Lionel Richie, Luther Vandross, Donny Hathaway, George Benson (his instrumental Breezin' was written by Womack), The Stylistics, Teddy Pendergrass, or heck, even Nina Simone or Todd Rundgren? The answer is possibly no. Honestly, I did not even think of bobby Womack being considered for induction. So, either I am not in touch, or the Hall of Fame Nominating Committee figured that Womack was a pick unjustly ignored.

And another thing: it would appear that the legion of Bon Jovi fans are very pissed off about this lack of being inducted for the group. Again, I am rather indifferent towards these guys; however, many were thinking they would be the shoo-ins for induction in 2009. I know for myself, I was pleased that Run-DMC made the cut amongst first-timers, yet saddened that Stevie Ray Vaughan did not get a nod. Yet again, it is a problem when SRV has been dead for 18 years.

Rummaging through my stack of records and MP3s, I notice more artists not yet in: Journey, Kansas, Split Enz, Phillip Glass (yes, Phillip Glass), Grand Funk Railroad, Utopia, The Nazz, Hawkwind, and amongst others I have liked yet do not have CDs and MP3s and DVDs of. Why are these artists, and those I mentioned in my previous post, not in yet?

At any rate, those are some ponderings I have. I am, though, firmly aware that Peter Gabriel will be in the Hall of Fame, likely by next year alonside his Genesis bandmates, including Steve Hackett and Tony Banks, for individual and collective contributions. It will in all means occur in a unique and seperate ceremony. This has been the most overlooked of inductees to be, and honestly, the time has come for Gabriel to be honored, as himself and along with the Genesis tree.

PS. I have no ill will towards Jann Wenner, himself a Hall of Fame inductee. My letters and e-mail I have sent to him and he has read regarding Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford have simply given Wenner all the convincing needed at the time to remind Wenner of the five artists' importance to their respective fields, in music, video, and humanitarian ideals. Ahmet Ertegun knew this, and had the highest amount of respect for Gabriel, Hackett, Banks, Collins and Rutherford. Wenner knows this to be true as well. The time to correct the oversight has come. There will be no problem in my end for the Genesis tree, even including Peter Gabriel, to be inducted in a special acheivement format with a night of tributes of all their own.

You better beleive it (it's so easy to say),

Lax25

Posted by Lax25 on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 17:47pm

Caspar, you can say that Jeff Beck was "just a guitarist," but the guitar is the most important instrumental piece of the rock and roll puzzle. It would be ludicrous for someone to say that Jimi Hendrix was not innovative because he was "just a guitarist." Beck revolutionized rock guitar as much as Hendrix did. Some of these other commentators are correct. When your esteemed peers like Clapton and Page (and add Santana to that list) all acknowledge that Beck is the greatest living guitarist, that really says something about his overall impact on the most important instrument of the genre.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 18:21pm

Agreed, Casper is narrow minded. Do ya think Beck influenced anyone? Ha ha. Since he is "just a guitarist" does that mean that only groups can get in??

Posted by Rock-n-Roll live on on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 18:29pm

Definitely too much narrow mindedness in the RRHOF. Not enough emphasis on raw talent/energy. Too much emphasis on innovation & influence. Needs a better balance between the three.

Posted by Arrow Man on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 19:07pm

More artists that should be in HOF

Todd Rundgren
Bad Company/Free/Paul Rodgers
Zombies/Argent
T-Rex/Marc Bolan
Herman's Hermits
Donovan
Emerson Lake and Palmer
King Crimson
Strawbs
Yes
Hollies
Jethro Tull
Moody Blues
Aphrodite's Child/Vangelis
Grand Funk Railroad
Procol Harum
Spirit
Humble Pie/Small Faces/Peter Frampton

Posted by Danny on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 19:38pm

And while I'm at it....
The Zombies
Cheap Trick
Alice Cooper
Moody Blues
and....THE HOLLIES.

Posted by Steve on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 19:42pm

I'm gonna bet it'll be Metallica, Run-DMC, the Stooges, Jeff Beck and Chic.

Metal, Hip-Hop, Punk, Blues, and Disco. That'll be an interesting class.

Posted by SSR on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 20:11pm

who the hell are the stooges?

Posted by huh? on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 22:35pm

Thanks for the latest news! I think its a diverse list they got, but agreeing with mostly everyone, I think 9 nominees and 5 inductees this year is too little. I'll go ahead and analyze my opinions:

Metallica: don't want to see them there just yet (I hope 5 years from now)
Run DMC: Before they even put another rap act, they should at least put another one that paved the way for them.
The Stooges: deservable
Jeff Beck: He's without question one of the greatest guitar heros of all time, so deserving.
Little Anthony & the Imperials: one of my fave doo-wop groups of the 60s; definitely deserving.
Bobby Womack: I know he's put out a ton of hits (according to Joel Whitburn's Top R&B Singles) but I had never heard one of them until last year, until someone lent me his "The Poet" album. Good listen, but I'd like to wait a few years on this man.
Wanda Jackson: Unsure. Sounds deserving!
War: They weren't the first latin-poprock act, but they did have a great different sound throughout the 1970s. Deserving!
Chic: What? Another disco-R&B act? Why not just put Gloria Gaynor or at least a 60s R&B act in! Not deserving

Posted by Jason on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 22:43pm

WHERE THE HELL IS SRV AND DT???!!!
How could they not have been nominated this year?
SRV and DT should have been first time eligible inductees. Music experts? I think not.

Posted by Mosey Long on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 08:37am

It's kinda shocking that Frank Sinatra isn't in the HOF in some fashion (nor is he listed at this site, correct?)

About this year's nominees- glad Bon Jovi wasn't on the list- no more deserving, really, than Foreigner or Journey.

Posted by JR on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 09:58am

Reminder: It's the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame. That should mean from this year's dismal bunch, Metallica, The Stooges and Jeff Beck should be in. I have no real problem with expanding the definition of R&R to be more inclusive and would be ok with RunDMC. But there's plenty of ROCK AND ROLL artists still missing, like the entire 1970s (Genesis, Yes, Tull, Moody Blues, King Crimson, ELP, ya da ya da ya da). You've heard it all before.

Posted by dp on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 11:40am

"the definition of R&R to be more inclusive and would be ok with RunDMC. But there's plenty of ROCK AND ROLL artists still missing"
Posted by dp on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 11:40am

Agreed,MANY even before those you mention.
Run DMC helped (in a high profile way) merge Rap/rock and in the process inspired many so I have no problem with them "eventually' getting the nod.

Posted by Lynn on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 11:49am

LISTEN EVERYONE!!!!

Chic, Donna Summer, The Stooges, Genesis and Roxy Music should be inducted this year.

I am a huge music fan from disco to heavy metal to rap to pop.

All of these artists nominated for 2009 are in one way or another popular; but Donna Summer, Roxy Music and Genesis should be inducted due to their influence on rock 'n' roll.

Donna Summer- known for her disco hits in late 70s/early 80s but helped to create and develop many genres of music and became a leading figurehead for female singer/songwriters in pop/rock music. Her ever changing image and concept albums are often overlooked. Her most famous followers are Madonna and Cyndi Lauper.

Genesis- known for their rock (often progressive) 70s/80s hits. Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel later became stars in their own right.

Roxy Music- as influential in the 70s as Donna Summer and David Bowie. Helped pave the way for many 80s acts. Famous followers include Japan, Duran Duran and Eurythmics.

Do people agree with what I said? I know many of you might think Metallica should get inducted.

Posted by James on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 12:53pm

Now that it's been a few days, a lot of the inductees make more sense to me. I still don't get Bobby Womack or War though. Still, a ceremony led by The Stooges, Run-DMC and Metallica really does feel like a Rock Hall stepping way out of its comfort zone. The Rock Hall has a long history of not being able to induct hip-hop, heavy metal or Iggy Pop, but I can't imagine these three acts not being inducted out of this list. I will be blown away if they are not, and I can't take another Stooges snub.

Posted by MBI on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 14:13pm

Shame to Jann Wenner, for picking the following political knuckleheads over the last few years, over more deserving artists

John Mellencamp
The Pretenders
U2
R.E.M.
Patti Smith
Jackson Browne
Bruce Springsteen (although he had to get in for his popularity)
Madonna

It brings shame to what this Hall of Fame has become

Posted by Danny on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 19:52pm

I think Springsteen deserved to get in Danny

Posted by Keebord on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 20:04pm

JR, about Frank Sinatra:

You know, if it were ten years ago, when Sinatra still lived, I would say perhaps a yes for induction. And even since he passed, I could and do note his influence, particularly since his latter years were more in the form of soft rock. Yet, here is the thing when honoring Francis Albert Sinatra: there is literally no room to induct other artists other than Sinatra when Frank Sinatra is being inducted.

It might be easier now in the context of Sinatra having died in 1998 to, however posthumous, consider his works for induction. Yet, as I said, the whole night of Hall of Fame inductions would have to rely on only inducting Sinatra and being only about Sinatra. Simply stated, it would be how Frank Sinatra wanted it to be; him and him only, and perhaps his Rat Pack buddies. That would not be a problem on my part. We are, however, dealing with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and to many, Frank Sinatra was not rock and/or roll; he was Sinatra.

Now, on the flip side, Peter Gabriel is rock and roll to an extant far greater. Same goes with his fellow mates from Genesis, particularly the classic lineup of Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford. An intricate induction deservance of Gabriel, Hackett, Banks, and Genesis (and yes, Collins and Rutherford) will be needed of special induction and awarding measures. Thus, I will state that, in large measure to what we have discussed and e-mails sent to Jann Wenner and the Hall of Fame Foundation Nominating Committee, and the fact that popularity and acheivments have been expanded on these five artists, the classic line-up of Genesis; Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford will be inducted into the Hall of Fame Class of 2009 for individual and collective works in a special acheivement induction category format. This, by the by, will allot for a unique added ceremony and/or concert/tribute that emphasizes there innovative works and ideals. And it will culminate in the main inductions ceremony for the main category inductees. This will likely be the first in what will be an annual process of special inductions for overlooked artists that were involved in bands that had both individual and collective greatness to their credits.

To note, in similar fashion to Future Rock Hall understandably loobying for Sonic Youth through their eventual induction (possibly in that special acheivemnt process I just mentioned), I continue to lobby for Peter Gabriel, alonside in equal measure Genesis, both individually and collectively. There is no problem with doing this. It is even truer when the process of induction will come.

There can only be one (maybe),

Lax25

Posted by Lax25 on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 20:10pm

Lax25, would you get off the Peter Gabriel and Genesis kick. They aren't going into the Hall of Fame this year.

Posted by Brian on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 20:33pm

Posted by MBI on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 20:45pm

Interesting as always. A few nominations surprised me, but I've seen worse. My predictions, in order of likely induction:

1) Stooges. Way overdue. The Stooges influence and impact on the Punk movement (and later the indie movement) is undeniable. Considering they've been nominated numerous times before I don't see any way they don't get in this year.

2) Run-DMC. I correctly predicted they would get nominated this year and the Beastie Boys would not. The Hall simply cannot put in the Beastie Boys before Run-DMC so they are pretty much locks.

3) Metallica. One could argue that Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Deep Purple or Motorhead deserve to be in before Metallica but they have yet to be nominated. Metallica certainly changed the face of metal in the 80's regardless of who influenced them. They get in now and perhaps one of the others gets in later.

A big drop after these three.

4) Chic. I'm still a bit puzzled by the Hall's love of Chic. Sure Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards had some talent, but I do think if another disco artist is added it should be Donna Summer, who seemed to have a more lasting impact on dance music, and more hits to boot. Still they have been nominated too many times to be dismissed, so they probably get in this year.

After Chic it's a crapshoot for the last induction.

Wanda Jackson: Old school sentiment and true believers like Elvis Costello give her a decent shot. The lack of female nominees this year also helps. But she is still pretty obscure to a lot of folks.

Jeff Beck: If this was the musician or guitar player Hall of Fame he would already be in. Yes he's that talented. However how influential was Jeff Beck post-Yardbirds? I own a couple of his CDs and have seen him live. I just wonder how influential this talented musician really is.

Little Anthony & the Imperials: Doo-Wop was an important part of rock history and Little Anthony & the Imperials material certainly stands with the best of the genre. I guess the question should be how many Doo-Wop groups deserve induction? I think you can argue either way.

Bobby Womack: His overall credentials as a solo artist, songwriter and session musician are collectively impressive. But as a solo artist you could probably make an argument for several other R&B artists.

War: Probably the most surprising nomination to me, and one I fully support. IMO the most glaring omission of the 70's R&B/Funk acts. They combined rock, jazz, R&B, funk and latin for a truly unique sound. They were capable of laid-back and fun (see "Low Rider" or "Summer") or socially conscious ("The World Is A Ghetto"). I think they did have a pretty big impact on later day Funk/Hip Hop/Latin acts as well as R&B influenced "jam" bands. That said I think they are the least likely of the 9 nominations to get inducted.

The 5 I think get in:
Stooges
Metallica
Run-DMC
Chic
Wanda Jackson

The 5 I hope get in:
Stooges
Metallica
Run-DMC
War
Little Anthony & the Imperials

Posted by ms.music on Wednesday, 09.24.08 @ 23:57pm

I do think it's MOST IMPORTANT that the Stooges get in this year. There are so many deserving punk/post-punk acts that probably won't be lobbied for until the Stooges are in. Sad but true, especially for influential bands that have not racked up impressive record sales. After the Stooges are in perhaps attention will be given to Joy Division, the Jam, Sonic Youth, Gang of Four, the Cure, the Smiths, Buzzcocks, Siouxie & the Banshees, Bauhaus, etc. Okay at least a few of these bands!

Posted by ms.music on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 00:07am

I think the HoF's decision to limit to the amount of inductees to 5 per year has caused some havoc with this process. If they had made this decision after they had been completely finished with the 60's and first few years of the 70's, then the 5 might have worked. But as we know, there are members on the nominating board who will not rest until everyone of the early 60's heros are inducted. And this is having a trickle down effect. Ms. music named several bands who clearly deserve induction and I would add The Cars, Kraftwerk, Richard Hell and a few others to that list. But how can we get to this era in music when the idiots in the HoF cannot even bring themselves to nominate other musicial entities that are being passed over for who knows what reason. No Prog Rock, no Alice. I just really don't understand. I think they need to get back to inducting at least 10 artists for the next 5 or six years. Let's clear up these glaring errors.

Ms. Music - Of this list of 9, Beck has to go in. I am pleasantly surprised by the nomination. His influence will last into the 22nd century. And with all due respect - no way Little Anthony should get in.

If the Hall wants, they should set-up a veterans's committee just like in baseball. It is here where they can start looking at those musicians and bands who the Hall passed over 20 years ago.

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 05:11am

blah-blah-blah:

I agree that a limit of 5 inductees per year is wrecking havoc on the process. I understand they don't want to open the floodgates, but I think there are too many important acts, especially ones with influence, but limited record sales, that will be overlooked or have to wait way too long to get in. Nominate 12 and induct 7 or 8. I also wholeheartedly agree that there should be some type of "veterans committee" to induct overlooked older acts. I think this should be for artists that have been eligible for induction for twenty years or more but have not gotten in. For example that would include anyone that released their first record in 1963 or earlier. Wanda Jackson or Little Anthony for example could be considered by this committee without taking a nomination spot from someone like Joy Division or Kraftwerk or X or King Crimson or whoever. The old schoolers hellbent on getting their faves in still get their chance and it opens up more spots for other deserving artists.

Of the 9? Well this wouldn't have been the nine I would have nominated, but I'm just stating my opinions on these artists. I realize I may be in the minority with Jeff Beck, but I think his influence is more on musicians than music if that makes any sense. To me he's a talented guitar virtuoso, but not one that really altered music. I think his most important work with the Yardbirds has already been recognized. No problem if he gets in, but I guess I don't feel it like you do.

Glaring omissions? A bunch, I agree. Not a prog rock fan but it needs to be recognized by more than Pink Floyd. King Crimson would be my first choice, but I don't have a problem with Tull, 70's Genesis, Yes or a few others. Kraftwerk needs to get in. The Cars are an important "gateway" band and they deserve induction. Alice Cooper is deserving. No Kiss though! Another early metal band or two (Judas Priest perhaps) should get in. Abba should get in. T. Rex, Roxy Music, Captain Beefheart. And then you get to the late 70's/80's punk/post-punk/college radio era. A lot of very influential bands didn't sell a ton of records but need to be recognized. I fear with the current restrictions and committee makeup, worthy bands like Joy Division, the Jam, X, Replacements, XTC, Sonic Youth, the Smiths, etc might be passed by for more commercially successful acts like the Eurythmics, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode or the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I don't necessarily want to exclude some of the more popular omissions (insert rabid Rush or SRV fans here) but I do think the Hall must include more huge influences regardless of record sales. Increasing the inductions from 5 to 7 or installing a "veteran's committee" would certainly help appease at least some fans.

Anyway if I stick around here you guys will probably get sick of me promoting my faves! I worked in radio for about 3 years (86-88) and I want the right bands represented.....lol!!!

Posted by ms.music on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 06:41am

If Brian says it, it must be true! Or is it probably true?

With all due respect, the short answer I can give regarding my lobbying for Peter Gabriel and Genesis, mainly the classic lineup, and the need to stop it despite the eventual induction by next year (Class of 2009) is: no!

The proposal that has been considered for the special acheivement induction for individual and collective works of a band en masse will take into fruition. And the first to receive this induction will, in fact, be Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford; the classic lineup of Genesis, for both individual and collective works and ideals. This process clears room for other deserving inductees to be considered all at one time.

By the by, Blah-blah-blah has made an interesting premise for a veteran's committee category. This will in all likelihood be considered as well.

To conclude, it will happen that Peter Gabriel will be inducted in the Class of 2009, alongside Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford in that special acheivement induction I just mentioned. Really, don't be negative on this format.

Guess the reference in the last sentence (again),

Lax25

Posted by Lax25 on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 06:58am

The proposal that has been considered for the special acheivement induction for individual and collective works of a band en masse will take into fruition. And the first to receive this induction will, in fact, be Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford; the classic lineup of Genesis, for both individual and collective works and ideals. This process clears room for other deserving inductees to be considered all at one time. (Lax)

Would you care to make a friendly on-line wager that this will not happen? I say that there is no way in the world this institution changes its way of doing things just for Genesis.

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 07:15am

No Stevie Ray Vaughan, what was the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Committee Thinking? To me this Year Metallica and Stevie Ray Vaughan were the only for sure artists out there!!!! They got it only half right---The others Little Anthony, Run DMC, Chic, They could wait another year- Jeff Beck, Wanda Jackson, The Stooges and War I could see any of them make it but still not over Stevie Ray!!! What were they thinking?????

Posted by Stan on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 08:39am

What is this stuff about Genesis, They don't even belong near Stevie Ray Vaughan, If you put Anything by Genesis in the Rock Hall we might as well blow up the hall of fame and start over!!!! Other bands are more deserving then them-- Deep Purple, Jethro Tull, Moody Blues, Chicago, Blood Sweat and Tears, Even Foreigner who doesn't belong is better than Genesis, LAX what planet did you come from!!!!

Posted by Stan on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 08:49am

LAX PLZ SHIUT UP ABOUT GENESIS. YOUR BLODDY GOIGN ON ABOUT THEM

& everyone needs to calm down, take a cfhill pill. It doesnt mattr if metallica got in before def leppard or maiden or run dmc got in before a nother nfluences.

or run dmc should not be in cause they are rap

there are on ly 1 rule & that 25 years. there are no boundariues.

my picks
MELTALLICA
STOOGES
RUN DMC
JEFF BECK
wANDA JACKON

CAUSE THEY USED a genre of rock

everyone else CAN P OFF. rfnb & disco is preprocessed & packaed

LAO IM A METALHEAD WIYTH A FEW TOUCHES OF ROCK. metal is better that pop music & would kill it any day. if metallica gets in it will open thew flood gates for other metal bands

just like sabbath opened the gates for metallica

Posted by martin on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 09:31am

If The Rock Hall continues to shun The Stooges and Chic to induct late 50s-early 60s acts (The Dave Clark Five and The Ventures) scenario:

RUN-DMC
Metallica
Jeff Beck
Little Anthony and the Imperials
Wanda Jackson

If the Rock Hall shuns RUN-DMC and Metallica:

Chic
The Stooges
Jeff Beck
Little Anthony and the Imperials
Wanda Jackson

If the Rock Hall shuns Chic, The Stooges, Metallica and RUN-DMC:

War
Jeff Beck
Bobby Womack
Wanda Jackson
Little Anthony and the Imperials

Little Anthony and the Imperials and Wanda Jackson will be inducted. The Ventures and Dave Clark Five of 2009!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 10:05am

No Smiths (naturally), no Roxy Music (again), no Tom Waits, no Lou Reed...

But no Bon Jovi, Kiss or Rush either.

Could have been a lot worse.

Posted by denyo on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 13:26pm

I'm still kind of stung by no SRV. I thought he was the no-brainer, surefire pick. But I'm sure most said the same about Metallica last year. We'll have to wait and see. I'll vote later.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 14:07pm

I did research on each of these artists. I had no idea who Bobby Womack was but he played or wrote for eveyone it seems. He has been around forever. I must say I am a bit fascinated at this point and bought a cd of his last night. Will listen to it tonight and post comments tomorrow.

Posted by nancy on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 14:52pm

My Top 5:

Metallica
War
Bobby Womack
Stooges
Little Anthony

Posted by tsl on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 15:00pm

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is turning into a joke now. WAR, Wanda JACKSON, LITTLE ANTHONY, STOOGES (only made one decent record), Jeff BECK (Sideman not a great solo artist), CHIC (only 4 decent songs), The only worthwhile artists are METALLICA, Bobby WOMACK & RUN DMC.
Where the hell are BIG STAR, ZOMBIES, SMALL FACES, Candi STATON, REPLACEMENTS, HUSKER DU, John STEWART, Townes VAN ZANDT, ABBA, Cat STEVENS, SMITHS, Donna SUMMER, RASPBERRIES, FACES, DEEP PURPLE, SUPERTRAMP,Ann PEEBLES, Randy NEWMAN, Merle HAGGARD (if Johnny CASH can get in), Waylon JENNINGS (likewise), Willie NELSON (likewise), George JONES (likewise), Dolly PARTON (likewise), JOY DIVISION/NEW ORDER, ROXY MUSIC, JAM, Gram PARSONS, Gene CLARK, KRAFTWERK, Charlie RICH, Jimmy CLIFF (if Bob MARLEY can get in), Neil DIAMOND, THIN LIZZY, Minnie RIPERTON, FAIRPORT CONVENTION, Richard THOMPSON, Dionne WARWICK, Sandy DENNY, Donny HATHAWAY, FREE, Nick DRAKE (if Leonard COHEN can get in),HALL & OATES, John HIATT, MOTT THE HOOPLE, LOVE, Steve MILLER BAND, Boz SCAGGS, NILSSON, Todd RUNDGREN, John PRINE, Leon RUSSELL, SPIRIT, XTC and Tom WAITS.
The Hall Of Fame is now too politically correct. It feels oh so guilty if it doesn't put black artists in there. The Black Artists are running out fast and there are a significant number of black artists who should not be in there. If Rhythm & Blues can get in there then some Country & Western can. Rock & Roll is defined as a fusion of Rhythm & Blues and Country & Western music so reflect that.
Come on Hall of Fame, get your act together.

Posted by JOAN PEARSON on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 15:13pm

What idiot thinks that inducting U2 or REM or Springsteen is a "political" move? I guess that assumes that Michael Stipe is friendly with the Rock Hall, but if he wasn't, do you really believe that R.E.M. don't have a legacy of making rock history? Who the hell is more deserving than U2?

Look at it this way couldn't more deserving acts
that have been around longer have gotten in by now. Check out those names above. Oh and about 100 other groups are or will be more deserving than U2. If you see a pattern all these artists and groups are engaged in politics (left-wing I might add). This is no coincedence at all, politics is what Jann Wenner looks for. It's unfortunate and I wish it wasn't the case

Posted by Danny on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 15:54pm

How does Run DMC get nominated, but KISS remains un-nominated? Seriously. Kiss's music maybe as far from "Highbrow" as you can get, but there is no denying the influence they've had on the rock bands of the 80s and 90s!!

Posted by Eddy Jones on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 16:58pm

Before Genesis gets in, The Moody Blues should get in. According to the book "Genesis: Chapter and Verse" Mike Pinder, the MBs keyboard player was interested in signing Genesis to the Moodies' Threshold label. Justin Hayward, guitarist/vocalist and Graeme Edge, drummer, felt likewise about king Crimson.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 17:01pm

Martin, please spell more correctly next time.

Stan, you appear to be correct in certain respects, yet rather incorrect in your assertion that Peter Gabriel/Steve Hckett/Tony Banks/Genesis be never inducted. It appears to me that you have not bothered to even hear their albums and songs.

Now then, blah-blah-blah, I will be correct in my process. It seems the best and most logical of means to induct Peter Gabriel and Genesis' classic lineup in this special acheivement format. By all means, they will be the first, for this Class of 2009 induction. In the years to come, more individual and collective en masse inductions for special acheivement will take place.

For example, as Aaron O'Donnell has mentioned, a follow-up for this special acheivement induction would include King Crimson. To note, King Crimson had at least a total of thirteen (13) members that went on to expand their pallete of works beyond the framework of the King Crimson banner: Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Tony Levin, Bill Bruford, Greg Lake, Peter Giles, Boz Burrell, Mel Collins, Gordon Haskell, John Wetton, Keith Tippett, Michael Giles, Ian Wallace. in fact, including posthumous consideration for Burrell and Wallace, all of their individual works are now eligible. This would be a perfect fit for this special acheivement induction. Other artists and groups would include for both individual and collective works; Yes, the Moody Blues, Roxy Music, the Move, et al.

So as you can see, in addition to the five possible performance category inductees of Iggy Pop/ the Stooges, Chic, Jeff Beck, Wanda Jackson, and Metallica, and alongside Bernie Taupin being inducted in the non-performers category, Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford will be inducted in the special acheivement individual and collective category as Genesis and on their own accords. And yes, I do include Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford.

Thus I have written,

Lax25

Posted by Lax25 on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 18:28pm

"It seems the best and most logical of means to induct Peter Gabriel and Genesis' classic lineup in this special acheivement format."

You realize you're an insane person, right, Lax?

Posted by MBI on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 19:30pm

Wow this site is pretty funny. It's all Peter Gabriel & Coven all the time! And I admit I do like Peter Gabriel, but the Hall isn't going to do anything special for him. He gets in whenever he gets in, with or without Genesis.

Posted by ms.music on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 23:26pm

Martin, please spell more correctly next time.

why should i give a F about spelling your the only 1 complaining over it & everyone is complying about you for not shutting your dam mouth over genesis

Posted by martin on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 08:41am

I think one of the big problem with nominating groups like Jethro Tull, Yes, Chicago (CTA), and minorly Genesis, which configuration of the band do you induct.

Using Tull as an example, would it be fair to just give it to Anderson and Barre, as the most consistant members, or do you open it up to all the playing members (even Iommi). Does Dee (David) Palmer complicates things. And these are just a couple of issues that come to mind.

Posted by Darkeldar on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 14:44pm

I think one of the big problem with nominating groups like Jethro Tull, Yes, Chicago (CTA), and minorly Genesis, which configuration of the band do you induct.Posted by Darkeldar

I agree,From the time of orig. conception which in the case of these groups goes back very far it can be tricky.
But with Tull being Ian Anderson has been the constant and the chief songwriter i don't think say they have to dig up Mick Abrahams just because he was an orig. founding member.

Joey Covington was a latterday member of Jefferson Airplane,he was not present when they were inducted and felt slighted i remember reading.
He's an an example of a latterday member who scored the bands last chart success (Pretty As You Feel) under the Jefferson Airplane monicker.

Posted by Gary James CA on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 14:57pm

Bands with more than 9 members in the Rock Hall - ALL INDUCTED!! This is directly from the Rock Hall website:

Parliament-Funkadelic - 16
The Grateful Dead - 12

Parliament-Funkadelic
Induction Year: 1997
Induction Category: Performer

Inductees: George Clinton (vocals; born July 22, 1940), Jerome “Bigfoot” Brailey (drums; born August 20, 1950), William “Bootsy” Collins (bass, vocals; born October 26, 1951), Raymond Davis (vocals; born March 29, 1940), Tiki Fulwood (drums, vocals; born May 23, 1944), Glenn Lamont Goins (vocals, guitar; born tk, died 1978), Michael Hampton (guitar; born November 15, 1956), Clarence “Fuzzy” Haskins (vocals; born June 8, 1941), Eddie Hazel (guitar, vocals; born April 10, 1950, died 1992), Walter “Junie” Morrison (keyboards, synthesizers; born tk), Cordell “Boogie” Mosson Jr. (bass; born October 16, 1952), William “Billy Bass” Nelson Jr. (bass; born January 28, 1951), Gary Shider (vocals, guitar; born July 24, 1953), Calvin “Thang” Simon (vocals; born May 22, 1942), Grady Thomas (vocals; born January 5, 1941), Bernie Worrell (keyboards, vocals, born April 19, 1944)

The Grateful Dead
Induction Year: 1994
Induction Category: Performer

Inductees: Tom Contanten (keyboards; born March 19, 1944), Jerry Garcia (guitar, vocals; born August 1, 1942, died August 9, 1995), Donna Godchaux (vocals; born August 22, 1945), Keith Godchaux (keyboards; born July 14, 1948, died July 21, 1980), Mickey Hart (drums, percussion; born September 11, 1943), Robert Hunter (lyricist; born June 23, 1941), Bill Kreutzmann (drums; born April 7, 1946), Phil Lesh (bass, vocals; born March 15, 1940), Ron “Pigpen” McKernan (keyboards, harmonica, vocals; born September 8, 1945, died March 8, 1973), Brent Mydland (keyboards, vocals; born October 21, 1952, died July 26, 1990), Bob Weir (guitar, vocals; born October 16, 1947), Vince Welnick (keyboards; born February 22, 1951, died June 2, 2006).

They inducted the lyricist as a group member!!

So the theory that the Rock Hall can't decide which members of a band like Chicago or Deep Purple to induct is bullshit!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 14:58pm

So the theory that the Rock Hall can't decide which members of a band like Chicago or Deep Purple to induct is bullshit!
Posted by Roy on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 14:58pm

But Roy using say Deep Purple as an example.
Joe Lynn Turner was on one album with them,and technically a member.
But they've had a very long history,many members pass through.
Does he deserve to go in with them if/when they get inducted?
Again only using them as an example to show you where i'm coming from.
Point being does every non essential member get inducted who passed through a band?

Posted by Gary James CA on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 15:18pm

Tom Contanten was only with the Grateful Dead for 2 albums at the most, I believe; so based on that example I'd say the answer is yes.

Posted by classicrocker on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 17:53pm

Tom Contanten was only with the Grateful Dead for 2 albums at the most, I believe; so based on that example I'd say the answer is yes.
Posted by classicrocker

Good example,i'm not sure on this i'll be the first to admit.
If it's just a few lineup changes over the course of 20 yrs. but some of these bands really have had huge amounts of members pass through their ranks.
So what's the consensus on this here?
Most feel that all the members no matter how long their stay should be present and inducted with many lineup changes?
Again,i'm not sure my stance on this.

Posted by Gary James CA on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 18:00pm

Here is my take on whom to induct of specific members of a group:

First, and foremost, the classic line-up of a band needs to be inducted. If there were no such classic lineup, then clearly you can induct the most important figures throughout the years. Now, in my example of King Crimson, I listed thirteen important figures to be inducted, as individuals and as a collective. In my opinion, the classic King Crimson lineup is Fripp, Belew, Levin and Bruford. Yet, what is known is that there was a King Crimson before 1981; thus, the need is given to induct all main figures.

On the flip side, there are acts that have had lineup changes yet only one lineup is that much of importance. For instance, Black Sabbath having already been inducted, the honors went to only four of the members: for all purposes, the Black Sabbath; Ozzy Osbourne, Tony Iommi, Bill Ward, and Terry "Geezer" Butler.

One other act that you could induct with only one classic lineup is Split Enz. Because you see, Split Enz had one main lineup that lasted the longest and is still the lineup that has reunited: Neil Finn, Tim Finn, Eddie Rayner, Nigel Griggs, Noel Crombie, and Mal Green (maybe even Paul Hester.) I do know there was a Split enz before Neil Finn joined; yet, when Neil Finn came on board, Split Enz was completed in its main lineup.

There can be also unique cases that are similar with Yes. In that, Yes has had many associates, but only nine figures have definitively been Yes: Jon Anderson, Steve Howe, Rick Wakeman, Chris Squire, Alan White, Trevor Rabin, Tony Kaye, Bill Bruford, and Peter Banks. It is these nine artists that are Yes.

This type of notice again adds a format for special acheivement awarding that I have mentioned before. And yet again, it provides the proper format to induct the classic lineup of Genesis both individually and collectively. Once more, the classic lineup was Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks, Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford. And now we know that there will be a special acheivement for lifetime works induction format to be done for the Hall of Fame Class of 2009. I can assure you that Peter Gabriel will be amongst those inducted in this format, along with the classic lineup of Genesis, and with added notice to the individual works of Steve Hackett and Tony Banks. But also including Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford to go with the three aforesaid, to complete the tree of induction. To note, this form of induction will take place.

As well, I am not certain why Quincy Jones has yet been inducted. Maybe it is due to him receiving a Kennedy Center Honor; which, by the way, would explain Willie Nelson, amongst others, not being considered. But by all means, the Hall of Fame needs to induct Quincy Jones. The omission is startling.

Writing this sane and with confidence,

Lax25

Posted by Lax25 on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 20:21pm

Why are you so sure that Genesis is being inducted in a special election next year? Has your dream state collided with reality?

Posted by Casper on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 20:34pm

Heart. Because there are not any top Rock bands fronted by 2 women and they are sisters. Ann and Nancy are Rock N Roll Icons and legends who are still touring and ROCKING out! The Heart catalogue is immense. The songs Barracuda, Magic Man and Crazy On You are played on classic ROCK radio several times a day on my hometown radio station and yet Ann and Nancy Wilson are not in the RRHOF??? Heart has over 20 top 40 hits. If Heart doesnt come closer to meaning what true Rock N Roll is over Madonna? Come On? Its like someone said there are no women in the RRHOF so we have to put someone so we dont look sexist...ooh now lets see let think of a woman who represents Rock N Roll.....Oh yeah Madonna. Yeah lets induct Madonna, now they cant say we dont have very many women in the RRHOF. Madonna knows that Heart is Rock. Madonna knows that the way Nancy's guitar playing and Anns vocals deserve to be in the RRHOF over her.

Posted by ReigningQueenofRockAnnWilson on Friday, 09.26.08 @ 22:52pm

"To note, this form of induction will take place."--

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