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Oct 2007

More about the Official Rock Hall Ballot

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What kind of information do the 500+ members of the Voting Committee receive from the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation to help them complete their ballots? Not a whole lot. Included with the Rock Hall ballot is a brochure which contains short biography information about each nominee (which is very similar to the write-up in the press release), a "Selected Discography" listing, and a photo. Surprisingly, there isn't a CD included with some actual music. Is it reasonable to expect the voters (which comprise of "rock experts" and current Hall of Famers) to know the catalogs of each nominee? Is Billy Joel familiar with Afrika Bambaataa? Is Percy Sledge into the Beastie Boys? Who knows, but maybe that's the point. With such a broad range of voters only the artists with widespread impact on rock 'n' roll will likely appeal to enough voters to be inducted.
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The 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Official Ballot

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Some interesting things to note about the 2008 Rock Hall Ballot:
  • The voting deadline is November 26, 2007 and votes received after that date "will not be counted." This is most likely in response to the controversy about the vote tallies from last year.
  • Voters don't have to vote for five artists, that is just the maximum. It's possible there may be quite a few ballots this year that are returned with only a couple of names checked off.
  • Voters are asked to rank their choices in order of preference. It's unclear if this information is used in counting the ballots. Previously, the rules stated that an inducted artist needed at least 50% of the vote, but that's no longer the case, since the Rock Hall has stated that exactly five artists will be inducted in 2008. It's very possible that artists could be inducted with less than a majority consent.
Cast your vote in Future Rock Hall's version of the 2008 Rock Hall Ballot here.
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Madonna and the Beastie Boys Rock Hall reunion?

Madonna and the Beastie Boys are the only two artists on the 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot who were newly eligible this year. If they are both inducted, they will have the chance to share the stage at the Induction Ceremony, just as they did 23 years earlier when the Beastie Boys opened for Madonna on the Like A Virgin Tour. Amazingly, potential future Hall of Famers Run DMC were also on the bill.
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From the Shortlist to the Ballot

Every year since 1986, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee has waded through the names of hundreds of artists in search of the elite few that will be voted on for induction. By counting the artists who have been inducted in the "Performer" category, and the artists who have been previously considered but not inducted, the Committee has narrowed down the history of rock and roll to essentially 300 names. Roughly half of those artists (154) are now in the Hall of Fame. But out of the other 146 names the Committee has discussed, only 31 have made it to the final ballot to be voted on by the 500+ member Voting Commitee. (Unsurprisingly, three of those 31 are up for induction again in 2008 -- Mellencamp, Chic, and the DC5.)

The Nominating Committee has gradually become more and more controlling over the process -- up through 2005, there would routinely be 15 or 16 names on the final ballot, but it was reduced it to just nine artists last year. The Voting Committee now has fewer names to consider, and they're often ones they have seen many times before. It's likely there are many voters who would love the chance to decide between Alice Cooper and Tom Waits; The Monkees and Devo; or Genesis and Roxy Music, but they haven't been given that opportunity due to the more restricted ballot.

Why not give the voters more choice? After all, the Voting Committee has succeeded in rejecting only 31 names in 22 years. They should be given the chance to reject many more.

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More on the 2008 Rock Hall Nominees

There were only two Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominees this year from the list of newly eligible artists, Madonna and the Beastie Boys. The remaining seven artists have been eligible for at least two years, but more importantly, all seven had been previously considered by the Nominating Committee. This shortlist of artists provides deep insight into who the Nominating Committee takes seriously as Rock Hall candidates. If an artist is eligible, but isn't on this list... well, their chances for induction are slim, because it doesn't seem like the Nominating Committee likes to reconsider previous year's rejects. So let's take a look from recent years who the Committee thinks has a shot, and who doesn't.
  • From the 2006 class, Depeche Mode, Eurythmics, and the Replacements made the cut, which means that Hüsker Dü, Duran Duran, New Order, Mötley Crüe, Ministry, Minor Threat, and many others will probably forever be left out.
  • From 2005, just hip hop pioneers Afrika Bambaataa and Treacherous Three made the list. So no Ozzy, INXS, Go-Go's, or Joan Jett, among others.
  • The 2004 shortlist includes Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, the B-52's, Simple Minds, and Sugarhill Gang. That ignores Lucinda Williams, Pat Benatar, and of course, "Weird Al" Yankovic.
  • Just three names from 2003 are listed, The Cure, Devo, and The Cars. Big names from 2003 that weren't considered: Joy Division, Dire Straits, and Kate Bush.
It's unclear who the Nominating Committee discussed from the 2007 class other than Madonna, Beastie Boys, and Metallica (who were rejected this year). Was Sting discussed? How about Sonic Youth? Was Janet Jackson's name on any member's shortlist? Or the Violent Femmes? We don't know yet, but we now understand how important it is to make it past the first cut.
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Rock Hall's "The Craft" series offers insight into Future Hall of Famers

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This year, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame began an artist interview series called "The Craft" that features a number of potential Future Hall of Famers. The first artist featured was Elvis Costello, a member of the Rock Hall Class of 2003. Other artists have included Patty Griffin, Jim James of My Morning Jacket, and Ben Gibbard of Death Cab for Cutie. The latest to be interviewed and perform was Paul Westerberg from the Replacements, who first became eligible for induction last year but haven't made the ballot yet.

The next artist in the series is a sure-fire Future Hall of Famer, Black Francis of the Pixies. Aimee Mann rounds out the group who have been announced so far, but more are on the way.

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Videos of the 2008 Nominees

If you're unfamiliar with the music of any of the 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees, check out the video pages for each of the nine artists:After you've become acquainted with the all of the artists and their histories, cast your ballot for who you think should be inducted in 2008.
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Comment of the week

This comment was posted by Matt on 9/29/07 in the 2008 Nominees thread. It has a number of astute observations about the realities of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction process:

From paying special interest to the nomination process over the past few years, I've been able to draw several conclusions about the selection process.

If you have any insight or theories of your own, please share.

THINGS THAT WILL WORK IN YOUR FAVOR

1. Being a larger than life figure.
The Rock Hall wants to grab headlines, and will need to fill seats and get ratings from the ceremony. Madonna is an enduring pop culture phenomenon, and can be seen as the home run, marquee talent. Only Michael Jackson is really comparable here.

2. Being critically acclaimed AND commercially successful.
Critics and the masses are two distinct camps. If you have favor with both, your chances are excellent. Beastie Boys have sold very well over the course their career--Licensed to Ill was the top-selling rap album of the 80's, and check the wikipedia entry for its accolades. Paul's Boutique, huge critical favorite. Ill Communication topped the charts.

3. Continued success and longevity.
Just because your band is still together, doesn't mean it's relevant. If you've been in the game for decades, and get radio airplay with artists 20 years younger, you have a great chance. Avoid being labeled a nostalgia act.

4. Survival in the face of changing tastes.
Grunge destroyed hair metal. Bands like U2 and R.E.M. adapted and even elevated their careers. Survive cultural sea changes.

5. Have friends in high places.
If you're buddies with Jann Wenner, Jon Landau, Bruce Springsteen or Dave Marsh, you will probably get in.

6. Be old.
The selections are made by crusty dinosaurs. Sonic Youth didn't stand a chance with this committee.

7. Affirmative Action.
The nominating committee will always select several black candidates of wildly varying qualifications. Soul, Blues, R&B, Funk clearly have favor over some guitar-based, predominantly white sub-genres.

THINGS THAT WON'T WORK IN YOUR FAVOR

1. Being prog, hard rock or metal.
Clearly these are not committee favorites. Much of the artists classified as such are boring, pretentious, overly indulgent, or polarizing. Still, many others are great. But it doesn't really matter.

2. Lots of filler.
If you have several essential recordings, but lots of misfires, your legacy will be watered down. Concise and impactful careers, and consistenly good artists will be viewed more highly than low-percentage hitters (3 strikeouts for every home run).

3. Confusing history.
Deep Purple probably has 30 current and former members, denoting by Mach I, II, III, IV, V etc. You do you nominate, who do you exclude? Nobody, it makes your head hurt just thinking about it.

4. Being overtly commercial at the expense of your art.
Bon Jovi and Journey, you lowest common denominator power balladeers, you don't stand a chance.

5. Enemies in high places.
Jann Wenner hates the Monkees. So they won't get in. Dave Marsh hates Kiss, so they won't get in either.

Can anyone think of any others?


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Has the Rock Hall reached a tipping point?

The 2008 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominations seem to have lit a fire under rock fans everywhere. At Harp Magazine, Fred Mills notes:
So much for Punk, Prog and Psych: with today’s announcement of nominees for the 2008 induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame it becomes clear we’ve reached a tipping point from which a permanent downhill slide in quality seems all but inevitable.

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I think there needs to be a better balance and greater deliberation put into the nomination process. Maybe lengthen the eligibility period to 30, 35 or 40 years instead of 25. Even better, why not have a two-category approach to induction whereby one set of nominees is drawn from the 25-year-criteria pool and a second set drawn from a 40-year pool of so-called Pioneers, thereby ensuring that deserving elders receive a more equitable consideration.

Bob Lefsetz also feels the temperature rising:
I wasn't even going to bother commenting about this. After the induction of Blondie and Patti Smith and the exclusion of the performance of David Lee Roth. But what's fascinating to me is the BLOWBACK! All over the Net, people aren't debating which of the nominees should get in, but who was LEFT OUT!

Donna Summer didn't go rock until '79, however much we love her, she belongs in the DISCO Hall Of Fame. Where Nile Rodgers and Chic should be enshrined also. Hell, want to honor Nile's production work with the B-52's, bringing them back from the dead, I'm all for it. But if it weren't for Ms. Summer and Chic would there have BEEN that bonfire at Comiskey Park?

And the Beastie Boys... Well, rap is a bit closer to rock than disco, but who's a bigger innovator... The Beasties or Alice Cooper?

I could go on and on about the unjust exclusions, but what's fascinating to me is the cabal which runs this rapidly sinking organization/ship/museum seems to have NO CLUE how they're fucking it up/eviscerating all its credibility.

If there are no more rockers to be inducted, DON'T!

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